Liana Kangas
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[00:00:00] Deanna Chapman: Hey, everyone. Welcome to geekdom is back. Today, I am joined by Liana Kangas and we are talking all about comics. I didn't make us talk about anything in particular, so it could just go wherever it wants to go. But Liana, how are you?

[00:00:28] Liana Kangas: I'm great. And also, thanks for inviting me on, uh, also what better thing to talk about.

[00:00:35] Deanna Chapman: I know, I'm kind of trying to shift gears with the podcast because before I was like covering the Marvel movies and everything, which I'll still, probably want to do, but I was like, you know what? I really like comics right now. So we're just going to talk about those some more. I'm excited because you've worked on quite a few different things, both credited and not credited as it were, which, you know, I think some people might be familiar with, especially myself as someone who works on a ton of podcasts and may or may not get mentioned for them.

But you started breaking into comics really in 2017 is.

[00:01:14] Liana Kangas: I want to say yes, it is. Uh, it has been a journey. So yes, I think that's the year. Yeah, maybe 2016, but hard to say.

[00:01:27] Deanna Chapman: So right now you are most recently working on star wars adventures and True Kvlt, which was a Kickstarter campaign that you ran. Can you talk to me a little about True Kvlt and where that idea came from?

[00:01:42] Liana Kangas: Absolutely. Yeah. So True Kvlt is a series that's actually just about to wrap up here that we initially released on Kickstarter and it is like an indie kind of heist, wild, I want to say like supernatural thriller, um, about these, uh, three kids that work at a fast food joint. And so there's a lot of like, quote unquote, satanic elements and things like that to kind of like throw the reader off.

Uh, we just wrapped it up as of today, actually. And. Going to be out shortly. Um, there's a lot of cool news with that. So Scott, the writer, Scott, Brian Wilson. He just recently did stuff like for DC, uh, like pennyworth and, um, our colorist Gab Contreras, who's done some stuff for like Oni and things like that upcoming and our letter or DC Hopkins. Who's also worked on some DC stuff with Scott and I'm mentioning only two more people. So James did our color assists and, uh, Jazzlyn Stone did our marketing. So essentially, like the reason why it all came together was, uh, at the beginning of, uh COVID and everything we had initially pitched this series, uh, Scott and I have known each other from Jersey and we've been wanting to work together for a long time.

And essentially it just came to like, Well, let's work on something together and like, we'll see where it goes. And, um, it was actually like soft greenlit, um, with a publisher, but then COVID happened and we, I think it was Jazzlyn who suggested Kickstarter and, you know, I think we were both like, whoa, I've never done a Kickstarter before.

Like that seems like a huge undertaking, but like the team really like pulled together. Like literally all the team, it was kind of cool. Yeah. We worked on putting it on Kickstarter and it did really well. So like that was around this time last year. And now seeing it almost like a year later finishing is pretty wild.

So I feel like it was just like a whole bunch of friends working on it. Cause like, uh, Scott brought DC on and I brought gab and James and uh, Jazzlyn on. And so it was kinda, it, it worked out really well. It was really.

[00:03:53] Deanna Chapman: Yeah, and Kickstarter definitely blew up. The pandemic for comics in particular, I backed so many things. I was like, I don't need to look at how much money I just spent on Kickstarters because

[00:04:05] Liana Kangas: I don't even like seeing my number back anymore. I'm like...

[00:04:09] Deanna Chapman: yeah, because you know, it doesn't charge you until like after the campaign. And so I would just do it and like, try to forget about it. And then I would get the email you've been charged. I was like, oh no, what did I do? 30 days ago?

[00:04:21] Liana Kangas: Yes. Yeah, exactly. But that's kind of the fun part, you know, you have like, Like a present awaiting you. And I don't know about you, but I tend to be a physical reader. So it's always nice when, and I love snail mail. So I love when I just, you know, a book just shows up on my doorstep. Um, I hear a lot of horror stories with.

You know, kind of being like, why does this take so long? Why, why don't I have the book right now? But like, as you can tell, like me saying, this took an entire year for us to do and like production and, you know, even printing the first issue for that Kickstarter took a little bit, you know, to do so. I would like to hope that I am a really nice backer because I'm always pleasantly surprised that I backed something when it comes in the mail, like, oh Yeah. I forgot about that.

[00:05:09] Deanna Chapman: Yeah. As much as I love physical stuff, I had to start doing digital because there are two bookshelves in this room that you can't see. There's no room in this room and they're full I'm out of room. I packed some comics. I was like, I've read these. I can pack them. I've tried to get rid of books.

I'm like, I'm very bad at this.

[00:05:30] Liana Kangas: I'm very attached to my books too. As you can tell, I have multiple not in view.

[00:05:36] Deanna Chapman: Yeah.

[00:05:37] Liana Kangas: Oh Yeah.

[00:05:38] Deanna Chapman: We understand each other. That's that's great. And, you know, I kind of was like, okay, I'll back digital stuff, because you know, it still helps. And obviously then it's going to cost them less overall because they're hopefully printing a little less, which, you know, I'm sure because of the way Kickstarter works. Either is fine with creators, but for me, I was like, okay, I got to think of the shelves.

[00:06:04] Liana Kangas: absolutely.

[00:06:05] Deanna Chapman: When move, got to think of when I move, because that's going to hurt, but for me, I just really went wild with backing stuff on Kickstarter last year. And I think I'm still waiting on a few things that I may be backed earlier this year, but I previously had a conversation with Erica Schultz about, you know, running things on Kickstarter.

And it seems like a pretty amazing way to. Support the creators you like. And you know, something I talked about on my YouTube channel semi-recently was the sub stack deals that we were seeing with a lot of the bigger name, comic book creators. And it just feels like the comic book industry kind of hit a point where.

Okay. Things need to change at least a little bit. You know, we can't keep relying on Marvel and DC to really fuel things. They still will obviously. But for you, does it feel like there's a bigger opportunity for creators who aren't working at the big two?

[00:07:00] Liana Kangas: Oh, yeah. I think we're almost like in an art Renaissance with people having the time and energy. To devote to things that they never got to do before and tell stories that they've never gotten to tell. So I, especially with things like that, sub stock deal and like, uh, companies taking big risks, uh, with creators who want to tell more unique stories, I think is a good way to show that I hope the comic industry is headed in a very interesting direction, especially for indie comics.

[00:07:35] Deanna Chapman: Yeah. And obviously you aren't opposed to working on big IP because. I have done some star wars adventures. How did that come about? Because I know star wars comics are kind of different since you have the ones that come out through Marvel and then IDW still has rights to some. And I know IDW has some sort of deal with Marvel.

I don't know the exact details, but you know, you've had some Spider-Man stuff come out with IDW too. So how did that opportunity come about?

[00:08:04] Liana Kangas: My lovely editor, Elizabeth Bray contacted me to ask if I'd want to try out, uh, for Lucas film to see if I'd be approved. Um, And I was pleasantly surprised because I don't think her and my head, uh, really met prior to that. And then when I was approved, I, you know, I got the word that Sam was the writer.

And so I was like, well, this is going to be one of the best books I've ever worked on. So really excited about?

that. Um, and my view of the star wars IDW line was always that it was kind of the fun stories, the fun side stories that you don't always typically get. And they're always in shorter. Um, Spurts.

So they're easier to digest and like kind of like the extra content that you always want. So like people that are looking for more star wars content can just like, go grab those and like easily read a couple out of order. You don't necessarily have to have it, but they collect it all together too, which is really cool and like digest size.

So anyway, long story short, I ended up meeting my now new editor, Heather as well. And we ended up working on all that together. And it was a fantastic experience, Luke and Leia are honestly, probably my favorite characters, uh, in the franchise to work on, like, I guess, an underground, like stealing a boggling ring is like the best, you know, I'm a dog, I'm a dog parent.

I love, uh, you know, have animal rights or whatever. So I just thought that that was a really interesting premise and it was super fun to work on. Um, 10 out of 10 would do it again.

[00:09:44] Deanna Chapman: Yeah. And it seems like IDW too has a little more freedom, because like you said, they're not really tied to the canon stories that are probably being told through Marvel's line of star wars comics. And, you know, just looking at some of the art, you can tell that you don't have to necessarily do. The sort of house style to keep up with Marvel either, which seems like it allows for not more originality, but just for the artist and writer to put more of their personality into these comics versus, you know, kind of having a more strict, Hey, this is what you need to write about.

[00:10:22] Liana Kangas: I will say, however, I have gotten so many people reaching out to me to ask if it Like, ties in and some sort of way to all the future stuff. I will always answer. I don't know. Uh, because technically I do not know, but it is great to get asked those questions all the time. Especially from like high school friends, you know?

To be like, I almost feel like nerd royalty at this point, like, or at least they make me feel that way. I worked on star wars. I won't specify which part, yeah.

[00:10:58] Deanna Chapman: but no, that's great. And for you, are you looking to do more in that realm where you're working maybe on more Marvel or even DC stuff, or are you really going to focus on some of the more indie stuff or just kind of take what.

[00:11:15] Liana Kangas: I would say, take what comes like I really, I love working on big license stuff. It's, it's a fun challenge. You work with incredible people, almost kind of like being paired up, uh, you know, people that you get to meet, but like, you know, I really. Collaborating with Sam. It was a great experience. So like, I would love to collaborate with her more.

And those are the types of opportunities that are my favorite part about comics is like meeting people, befriending, or like working with them in some way and like having a great time, what.

a better job. Right. Um, but I do like doing, you know, my own stories. And so like the way that I've, I actually. I spoke with, uh, Greg Pak about this a couple of years ago when I first kind of started breaking into comics and he was like, I'll do one license work.

And then I'll even that out with like a creator on work. And so he'll always like go back and forth and I've always taken that up. Instruction to make sure that I don't, uh, burnout with inspiration or anything like that. So like, I'll do a creator on and then I'll do that or I'll do you know? So I like both.

I literally just tweeted today. Uh, what licenses would people want to see me do? A one-shot of, because I really want, you know, I want to get ideas for fan art, or I also like, would love to do more stuff like that while I'm working on these other, like India. One of my friends brought up, uh, I think it was Gotham city sirens or something.

And I like, I loved the birds of prey movies. So I was like, yeah, I would absolutely love to do that. But like a lot of the things I said yes to was my old school love of like DC. So, you know

[00:12:57] Deanna Chapman: it out there it'll happen.

[00:12:59] Liana Kangas: Yeah. Putting it out into the universe, maybe I'll do it one day. That would be really fun.

[00:13:04] Deanna Chapman: Yeah. But the one for them, one for me thing is something that I hear a lot, not just in comics, but just in creative fields in general. And, you know, Before we started the episode here, we were talking about how many podcasts I work on for like paid work. And so for me, this is kind of like my one for me technically too, because I also do my Stephen King podcast, but, you know, that's kind of how I keep things going and just.

Keep my brain engaged because I went a little wild and this is podcast number 14 of 15 that I'm recording this September. So, you know, for people listening in a few weeks here, we're recording this on September 28th and you're listening to it like at the end of October. But yeah, I just went all out this month because I was like, okay, I just need to be done with Stephen King prep.

I have so much that I need to edit. I have like. Three month backlog for that podcast right now. So

[00:14:02] Liana Kangas: Oh, wow.

[00:14:03] Deanna Chapman: I've caught up to, you know, the most recent book, the most recent show. So I don't have anything until 2022 that I need to really consume Stephen King wise, aside from the comics. And even though this month was super hectic and I'm like, what did I just do?

You know, if I didn't do.

[00:14:24] Liana Kangas: I still don't know how you schedule that many guests. Like, you know, as you know, as someone who also has a podcast, I'm like one a week maybe. And then I do the other, that I am a guest on someone else's, you know what I mean? To, as my max, I've done like five in one week, once never again,

[00:14:44] Deanna Chapman: I tell myself that every time I do five in one week, and then I do it again, like two months later and I'm like, well, I lied to myself. But yeah. So even though, you know, it's been hectic this month in particular, I think it'll be good for me to just have like, editing to do for the Stephen King podcast, because that was probably taken 10 to 15 hours a week because he writes very long books and I was watching everything at the same time too. And the one thing I'm really excited about is diving into comics more for this podcast. And I, you know, we mentioned the Substack deals earlier. I signed up for Scott Snyder's class. So I've been, you know, doing that once a month and it's not necessarily because I want to write comics, but I feel like it'll just.

Me get a better understanding of comics, how they're made. And at most I've written like one page of a comic and that's it. And there's no art to it. It's just, I did a thing and I was like, okay, I could kind of do this, but I think a lot of people don't really focus on the, how things are made part necessarily.

And I think that's why it's great. That substack is letting creators do that because not only are some posting comics on sub stack, but almost all of them that I've seen are like breaking down their process. Do you feel like that's become more commonplace these days too?

[00:16:07] Liana Kangas: Yeah, I think it's something that a lot of comic readers want a part of, or they want to feel like they're almost a part of the creation or making of stuff. I've always done that for my Patreon. Um, or like my Twitter is like posts, like how I do things or like talk about it on podcasts and stuff like that.

But primarily how I use Patreon is like work in progress behind the scenes, you know? Honestly like Q and a for, at any point, you know, like whatever you want to know, I'm essentially an open book unless I've signed an NDA. So, um, and that's only because like, when I was breaking into the industry, I would just ask people, you know, like questions, like how do I break into doing more covers or how do I do this?

Or how do I do that? And one of the things that, um, You know, I think allows people to feel like they're a part of the comics community. Is that specifically. So I do like that a lot of creators are utilizing newsletters and things like that to talk about, or be more transparent about the industry, especially because of how much is going on and like how crazy things get from point a to point B in terms of like, oh, you read this comic 10 years ago.

Now it's a movie like. You know, things like that. So it's one of my favorite parts I think of comics in general is breaking down the storytelling and visual storytelling process.

[00:17:32] Deanna Chapman: Yeah. And when you have someone like Scott, who is now sort of doing his own thing with the ComiXology originals, it seems like he's a little more open to talking about what, what went down on Batman?

[00:17:45] Liana Kangas: Yeah, That's actually really funny.

[00:17:49] Deanna Chapman: Yeah, because there was like this big article that came out on the new 52, a week or so ago on polygon. And it was like people kind of dishing. How unorganized things were with the new 52, basically. And those are things you don't hear about, especially with Marvel and DC, they really like want to keep that hush hush and not let anyone know their problems.

But, you know, I think comics are just becoming way more transparent because you had all of the stuff with like the royalty payments recently too. And you know, so many different things that are crazy.

[00:18:27] Liana Kangas: Well, I mean, even the biggest part is like the major, big two layoffs over the past two years. You know what I mean? I think if anything, hopefully that transparency helps build a better like foundation for how comics are created or done. Um, but who's to say

[00:18:46] Deanna Chapman: Yeah, Disney certainly has enough money to fix their problem, but it remains to be seen.

[00:18:53] Liana Kangas: I'm like silently laughing, sorry.

[00:18:56] Deanna Chapman: We won't call out Disney too much here,

[00:18:58] Liana Kangas: Oh gosh. Oh my gosh.

[00:19:00] Deanna Chapman: but for you Liana, who was it or what was it that really helped you get your foot in the door when you were breaking into comics? A few years back, just to kind of jump around here.

[00:19:09] Liana Kangas: Yeah. Um, I have to attribute, I think my two friends kind of in comics, like from the start, uh, actually three, now that I think about it. So when I broke in quote unquote, I did an anthology piece for a D mine anthology, which is like, award-winning, it's about, uh, supporting planned parenthood. During that signing.

I met Joe Carollo, who you, as you know, I collaborated with, um, on, she said destroy and TKO, uh, Seeds of Eden. I met Vita who we were previously, Twitter mutuals, and they introduced me first. We. We're like, oh my God, you're a real person. And then like got really excited and like introduced me to, um, their mom was there at the signing.

Super cute. And they also introduced me to my now editor on a couple of things. Sarah lit. I love her. Um, Sarah wasn't even signing, which is even funnier. Um, so I actually ended up working with Vita and Sarah on a book, uh, the devil's dye, and eventually did the cut, my first cover series, uh, for, uh, Hawaii comics with Sarah as well for the Eric Polycase book blacksmith.

Um, and then my third, which I did not meet. Uh, at this signing per se, but I met at a signing near where I lived, uh, Erica Schultz, who you've also talked to, um, her and I lived five minutes apart from each other. And without her, I would have injured myself multiple times, but those are stories for another day.

[00:20:44] Deanna Chapman: It's funny. I didn't intend to do this, but I've had Vita on, I've had Erica on I've had Jono on. So I just found a firend group

and I hope

[00:20:51] Liana Kangas: I love that.

[00:20:52] Deanna Chapman: you all adopt me.

[00:20:56] Liana Kangas: Absolutely. Oh my gosh. Uh, yeah, I, I didn't think about that until you asked the question, but I have probably texted all three of them the last 24 hours. Oh, that's that's great. Yeah. So I it's great. So people like that, who you like find your people you end up, uh, you know, Erica ended up recommending me for, uh, the, where we liveanthology.

So I collaborated with her on that piece. And then that's actually how I met Scott, Brian Wilson, because he was at a signing. That's actually how I met Tyler boss. And like, uh, Paula is the CEDA who drew. Uh, seeds of Eden and a couple other people. Uh, so it's lit the signings of the anthologies that I worked for.

[00:21:44] Deanna Chapman: That's perfect. And you know, for me, because like I said, I don't need to write comics or anything. It's just something I'm interested in. More so as a fan, I wouldn't be opposed to maybe potentially writing something eventually, but between two weekly podcasts and weekly YouTube videos and. The 800 other podcasts I work on. I'm like, let's not get too ambitious.

[00:22:07] Liana Kangas: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:22:09] Deanna Chapman: that's a lot.

[00:22:10] Liana Kangas: My brain is always like, oh, another hobby. Like, you know, I already was like, I have two more ideas for podcasts. I'm like, no, I don't have time. Unless someone recorded for me. And I could draw at the same time.

[00:22:23] Deanna Chapman: Yeah. And you do Twitch too still.

[00:22:25] Liana Kangas: Yeah So I'm currently on a hiatus for that, just because star wars and a couple of really great projects that I can not talk about landed all at the same time. And so it was like, I mean, kind of looking at my plate, uh, I guess this relates to our conversation earlier is that I was like, well, what's the first to go.

You know what I mean? And that's such a hard decision because Twitch is fun. It was great community. It, uh, it's one way that I can connect with everyone since I can't go to conventions right now. Um, but I was like, I kind of have that with my Patrion already, and I'm finding ways to kind of fit in time for them still and subscribers.

But, uh, Twitch was kind of like one of those easy things that kind of took care of itself on Tuesdays. I'd get to do my commission list and hang out and talk with friends, essentially. That's how I looked at it. But it was one of those ones where it was like, it did take prep as you know, like doing podcasts and stuff like that.

You kind of gotta be like, well, do I have some, a guest on? And if I have a guest on, I got to prep that, and I don't think a lot of people understand how much like time goes into producing stuff like that. I've definitely had scenarios where I've streamed and just like asked a friend last minute to pop on.

And that's always fun too. But again, that was the first to go drawing two books at once.

[00:23:43] Deanna Chapman: Yeah for me, you know, I mentioned taking Scott Snyder's class a couple of times here, and I was like, okay, that I can do it's once a month. It's a couple hours. And you know, I. It might end up being every other week or something like that, just because he has so much to say, but at the same time, I was like, okay, this is a good way for me to support one a creator.

I really, really love because I've enjoyed a lot of his work, Wytches, American vampire. I did love his Batman run too. And I think just doing something a little more creative like that with sub stack, it's definitely something the other. Aren't necessarily doing, because they are creating comics specifically for sub stack.

But I was like, okay, I want to know what I'm talking about when I talk about comics. So that felt like a great way to do it. And whether I do or don't. Quote, unquote homework exercises. You know, it's still been amazing getting to learn from someone who has worked on literally one of the biggest books in comics and it feels personal.

It's like he does it over zoom. So it's like, I look at him the same way I'm looking at you currently. So it like, feels like they're talking straight at you and, you know, you mentioned sort of finding this friend group and I'm like, okay, Who, who can I get on my podcast? Who can I convince to do this? And then, you know, you already sent me a link to someone else I could have on my podcast.

And I was like, this is why I love community, because this is something that I feel like didn't necessarily exist before, because. One didn't have the internet when comics started. And to, like you said, you had to go to conventions to get that. And conventions are typically during a very specific time of year and they're kind of all crammed in there and everyone's exhausted and hungry and, you know, A thousand miles an hour.

So for you, with your Patreon and Twitch and everything, it seems like that's the direction a lot of creators are going in as well, especially as an artist because you can draw live on Twitch. I feel like maybe writers might have a little tougher time with something like Twitch, but.

[00:25:53] Liana Kangas: I have seen writers do Twitch. And I think that's also great, like, uh, Jamie Jones who writes and draws he'll sometimes write like full chapters on stream. And I was like, buddy, how? Because I know when I write, like when I was writing the new deadbeats, uh, London calling, I almost needed zero sound, you know, like full like me staring out a Google doc the whole time.

Very. Very difficult. Could not 10 at a time. Can't do that streaming. I think it'd be fun to like work out ideas with the collective to create storytelling, but.

then can I really call that mine? Right. Like I even, I mean, I feel like when I bounce ideas off of friends and stuff like that, even if it's a small inside joke in a panel, uh, Of an issue of true cold calling out my friend, a guy Palevsky, he will often make small jokes to be like, can I put that in as like an inside joke or like an Easter egg in the background?

Do you know what I mean? Like it's, but that all kind of wraps back to like comics is kind of this community and it's like a collaborative storytelling regardless. So.

Yeah, and it seems like creative teams stick together a lot longer now, too, because. I can do things like, you know, ed Brewbaker and Sean Phillips, for instance, they just do everything together. Now. I don't even know if they work with other people.

Scott. And I have been joking literally that we are the next brew banker and fellows. Like I was like, let's not go that far, but maybe. Like

[00:27:26] Deanna Chapman: I like you, but not that much.

[00:27:29] Liana Kangas: Well, I mean, we, we are already working together on something that again, so, uh, I was like, Yeah, maybe it has turned down that way, but I, in terms of like reach and things like that, but.

[00:27:42] Deanna Chapman: Yeah, and I think it's just fun to get, to see all of these sort of, not necessarily cliques in comics, but all of these, just different groups of people boosting each other up and, you know, to go back to Twitch real quick, I think chip would be good at Twitch.

[00:27:56] Liana Kangas: Oh, man. I love when he lives streams, mostly because I just like want to message stuff to be like, not ticket. Like, I don't know. I, I like that. There is like, What can be a two way interaction if you allow it on Twitch.

That's one of the things that I really love about that is like, when somebody messages something funny, I'm like clearly going to message back.

Right. But sometimes it can just be professional and you just read a comment and just you're like live streaming only two and not receiving. Right. So that's the beauty of the platform, I suppose.

[00:28:30] Deanna Chapman: Yeah, that just came to mind because I was like, yes, Egypt would be good at that.

[00:28:34] Liana Kangas: I know he does like that. So once in a while, there's that stagment show or whatever on

[00:28:39] Deanna Chapman: Oh yeah. Yeah.

[00:28:41] Liana Kangas: I haven't caught many, like everyone caught like a couple of minutes and I'm, uh, you always feel like. Kind of like listening in on, uh, you know, like conversations at a bar or something like that, which I find kind of funny.

Like I would love to just like draw to that kind of stuff, but, um, again, can hardly do that focus wise. I can't.

[00:29:03] Deanna Chapman: Yeah. Yeah. I, I mean, because I edit podcasts, I literally can't do anything else while I'm working.

[00:29:09] Liana Kangas: yeah, no impossible.

[00:29:11] Deanna Chapman: friends will be like, did you listen to this album? I'm like, no, but I listened to five hours of someone talking.

[00:29:17] Liana Kangas: Exactly. Exactly. I feel like that's what I did with my day. I pre listened to this entire podcast that will be released here in the next couple of weeks.

[00:29:26] Deanna Chapman: I've worked on some that were four hours long and I was. This will take me eight to 10 hours to do this one. So when I listen to people, I listen to them for a very long time, apparently, but Liana, is there anything coming up that you can talk about? Like I said, we're recording this end of September, but you won't be hearing it until end of October.

So is there anything right now that you can talk about or is everything kind of under wraps?

[00:29:53] Liana Kangas: The final issue of true cult is coming out in October. So keep an eye out on that, because that is the last issue. That's really exciting. Um, you can still pick up my star wars, adventures issues, seven and eight, uh, at your local comic shop, as well as the, a TKO seeds of Eden is still available on the TKO website.

Um, and there should be an, an, an announcement soon, I guess, for the graphic novel that I've been drawing this year. Um, hopefully there will be, uh, some big news coming out here in the mixed. Two days as recording for something really big that I did around the time that I drew star wars. So, uh, hopefully you got that news, but you can always find the news on my, uh, Twitter.

It's where I update everything. Uh, Almost real time, if you will. Uh, oh. And I just had announced that I will be doing all the cover varying covers for this series and after and through vault comics. So 10 beautiful covers that you can pre-order.

[00:31:02] Deanna Chapman: Amazing. And I'm going to spring this on you here because I didn't know. Prepare you as well as I should have as the host of this podcast, but I liked doing recommendations at the end. So are there any comics that you've read lately that you really loved and want to recommend?

[00:31:18] Liana Kangas: Absolutely. I can not. And I cannot stress this enough can not get enough of the nice house on the lake. It is the only book that I rushed to the comic shop at 10:00 AM on a Tuesday now blessed that it turned to Tuesdays, um, and immediately read when I get home, everything else goes into the ever-growing pile that I am eventually going to get to.

Now that I'm not overworking myself, but, um, That is that's, that's the number one right now. That's my jam. You know, I usually like have one thing on rotation for about a month or two, and then I'll like skip to the next thing. That's the comic rotation.

[00:31:58] Deanna Chapman: Yeah, I have been trying to catch up on a lot of comics that I missed because of doing a Stephen King podcast for three years straight. And. Reading pretty much only Stephen King. I did read some other stuff in between, but you know, I'm actually really, really loving the stand comics. So I'm just going to, I'm just going to recommend Stephen King because I had no idea what to expect when I started reading like the dark tower in the stand comics.

But I have found that both. The best adaptations of each of those things. So far, I'm not done with them. I am actually recording another stand comic book episode tomorrow for podcast number 15 of the month. So I highly recommend checking those out. I think they're on Kindle and that's probably the easiest way to find them without spending all of your money.

[00:32:50] Liana Kangas: Yeah.

[00:32:50] Deanna Chapman: But Liana, thank you so much for joining me today and you are welcome back on. Anytime you would like to talk more about comics.

[00:32:59] Liana Kangas: Thank you. Thanks for having me, man. I feel like you are taking over the podcast world, so I appreciate you interviewing me and I had a great time. Thanks again. And, um, I hope everyone digs True Kvlt.